Nov 24 22:59:44 Very well then Nov 24 23:01:01 and welcome everyone to the first PMOG presidential debate Nov 24 23:01:57 I'm sure most of the people who read the minutes of these proceedings will have already followed the campaigns quite intently but let's begin with summary position statements from each of the candidates Nov 24 23:02:31 So let's get your PMOG name, PMOG age, and a brief description of your PMOG policy Nov 24 23:04:02 alright.. PMOG name is bunni3burn, i am 27, and a brief description of my policy is that Order rules... without having to get rid of Chaos Nov 24 23:06:07 the floor is Chava's Nov 24 23:06:36 Many thanks, moderator snocrsh, and thank you again for the kind invitation Nov 24 23:06:37 Hello, dear PMOG citizens. My name is Chava, I've had the honor to play with amongst you fine people for more than 6 months now. Although it seems like yesterday that I was a shoat, I have gone through a lot in the PMOG universe and have come to understand that we all are here to have fun and eat bacon. To have fun, we have at our disposal a great many tools. Some candidates may wish to... Nov 24 23:06:39 ...convince you that using only certain tools is the wisest choice. I am here to tell you that it's ok to use that tools that you have fun with. We stand for all tools, for all the people and we shall strive to represent every PMOG player. Thanks again for participating in these proceedings Nov 24 23:07:20 very eloquent indeed Nov 24 23:08:06 and to make things move more smoothly I'll ask that candidates please acknowledge when they've finished their statement and would like to relinquish their turn Nov 24 23:08:35 I believe I have made a complete statement, moderator. Thank you again. Nov 24 23:09:00 and also that they will be afforded a ping and no more than a minute to respond before the discussion will move regardless Nov 24 23:09:30 greatleader, please introduce yourself Nov 24 23:09:38 My name is greatleader on the fine land of PMOG, I am but a lowly shoat, less than a month old. My stand though is simple. The common man has been trod upon by the rich elite of PMOG for too long. While we shoats work hard daily to merely earn enough money to buy one piece of armor, The imperialist system provides the rich members with the tools required to mine and nick and otherwise rend our poor shoat bodies, Nov 24 23:09:51 That is all. Nov 24 23:09:58 excellent Nov 24 23:10:18 sylverling :) Nov 24 23:11:21 Hey. I'm Sylverling, and I've been around PMOG for about 6 months. I'm running on the platform of Chaos, which is to say: do the unexpected, and learn the way we all do - by being mined, and learning to fight back. Chaos: it works, bitches. Nov 24 23:11:23 that is all. Nov 24 23:11:57 Very good Nov 24 23:12:04 Now the first proper question. Nov 24 23:12:27 The powers and responsibilities of PMOG president have been vaguely (not) defined. Nov 24 23:12:40 What do you intend to DO as president of PMOG? Nov 24 23:13:00 the floor is yours Bunni3 Nov 24 23:13:06 * Bunni3 is on it :D Nov 24 23:13:32 as my intentions have been well noted in the forums, i will briefly go back over them. Nov 24 23:14:15 i intend to make pmog fun for everyone by having a cabinet full of new to old players helping every association out. Nov 24 23:14:47 help to make sure that the players with less DP and the new players yet to be broken in, get to play with just as much force as the one who have been around PMOG for longer Nov 24 23:15:40 as anyone can see that i have not taken the time to pick my cabinet by popularity, instead picked it by the desire to succeed and make PMOG fun for all Nov 24 23:16:35 as PMOG Pres. i intended to help all players with whatever is needed. as a resident bedouin, i don't want one shoat to find themselves a victim of a mining without being properly dressed in armor Nov 24 23:16:51 and the benefactor in me is always willing to hand out DP to anyone who needs it Nov 24 23:17:28 and my last note i want to throw out the wonderful and awesome idea brought to the party from gbelste Nov 24 23:17:58 the Order party of Bunni3 and Davidsev plan to open a Social Security account to bring joy to everyone Nov 24 23:18:14 and the best part is that no one is expected to pay a thing Nov 24 23:19:00 the account will have many missions for anyone to take and help raise DP. as well anyone who wishes to donate is welcome. and of course the party members will be helping supply the cause with their own DP Nov 24 23:19:38 I'm afraid that's all we'll have time for on this query :D Nov 24 23:20:19 Chava, you may proceed Nov 24 23:20:26 thank you, Moderator Nov 24 23:20:29 We will stand up for the people of PMOG, be they shoats or level 20s. Me and my talented VP will help stimulate the DP economy to provide DP for tools to everyone. We have an ongoing subsidized shoppe program for all tools at 50% of the list price for levels 15 and under. We shall help the defenseless by mining the abusers and we shall provide armor to those who need it. We believe that a... Nov 24 23:20:31 ...government that governs least is the one that governs best and we shall not interfere with player's right to chose the tools they prefer. We are also trying to promote the game development with a wonderful casino and other upcoming novelties. Finally, we shall strive to make sure everyone has the bacon of their choice (even vegetarian), because bacon is wonderful. Nov 24 23:21:22 Thank you, snocrsh Nov 24 23:21:54 greatleader, your thoughts Nov 24 23:22:10 The position of president may appear simply honorary. I have noted that no powers have actually been offered. However with the popular vote behind the president, a certain amount of power is given. Trustees and stewards may well be persuaded, through simple application of a certain amount of pressure, to do as they are requested. Lead by someone such as myself, or indeed any of the other fine candidates, A path c Nov 24 23:22:37 That is all. Nov 24 23:23:10 sylverling Nov 24 23:23:17 Most of us began PMOG the same way: as lost shoats with tender flesh. We were mined and Nicked and took rickrolling portals and we lost our tenderness and quickly grew wise to the ways of PMOG. Nov 24 23:23:46 What I plan to do as President is to continue these fine traditions: introduce every shoat with a mining by my Minister of Evil. Nov 24 23:24:11 My Minister of Good will provide a crate of armor - one single crate. You might think this is an act of order, and so it might seem, but the truth is, chaos appears in many ways. Nov 24 23:24:54 We want to show the shoats what it means to be Pmogians - strong, fine, bacony pmogians, with no weaknesses. We punish the wicked and the stupid with our mines and nicks, and offer portals too. Nov 24 23:25:13 And do what no one expects, because htat's what chaos is. Simply put, we want to prove that chaos is the ruler over everything. Nov 24 23:25:18 thanks, snocrsh. i'm done. Nov 24 23:25:39 Excellent Nov 24 23:25:53 One more question in a similar vein Nov 24 23:26:17 In the recent presidential election one of the most talked about qualities of each candidate was their level of experience Nov 24 23:26:58 the president-elect received much criticism for his role as a community organizer before serving in the US Senate Nov 24 23:27:42 however, it seems that the PMOG president is very much a community organizer Nov 24 23:28:16 So, what previous experience do these candidates have in leadership positions and with building community ties? Nov 24 23:28:31 We'll begin with Chava Nov 24 23:28:50 On it Nov 24 23:28:55 I believe my credentials in this area to be beyond question. I am proud owner of most of the 1500 tool badges and in fact have more tool usage than most. I have been recognized by the authorities as someone trustworthy with a designation as steward. Nov 24 23:29:23 My running mate is also a PMOGer of great experience. He currently runs the casino and routinely has access to the trustees to promote other new and fun ways to enjoy PMOG Nov 24 23:30:22 Some may argue that they hold more badges or that they've been along longer. But they cannot argue with my post count, making me an active member of the community, nor can they deny the myriad of threads that I have either started or derrailed. Nov 24 23:31:13 Finally, the greatest proof of my experience may be the fact that I have learned that which my opponents have not: There is room for both Chaos and order to coexist in all of us. Nov 24 23:31:18 Thanks again for your time. Nov 24 23:31:45 greatleader Nov 24 23:31:52 My wikipedia page clearly reveals my past experience. Yes I am new to PMOG, but I am not new to the world of leadership. My country was lead to greatness. It remains great under my predecessor. You can look at my history yourself. I am new here. It is true, but I have already experienced all that PMOG has to offer. Save mining. I have yet to mine an individual, why? because to do so would be an act of aggression Nov 24 23:31:58 That is all. Nov 24 23:32:31 sylverling, describe your experience to us Nov 24 23:32:34 Thanks, snocrsh Nov 24 23:32:36 In my time at Pmog, I’ve earned all of the tool use badges. I also acted as a team leader during PRisk. And while I was a member of an Order team, not a Chaos team, I felt it was important to see how the other side lived. In that time, I discovered I preferred Chaos. Nov 24 23:32:58 Like Chava, I am also a steward, entrusted with the responsibility of caring for shoats and helping other Pmogians. I have a reputation for helpfulness and also one for fun. Nov 24 23:33:34 I include others in my cause, and most importantly, I enjoy what I do, and I enable others to do the same. Nov 24 23:34:07 I feel my reputation for innovation and chaos stands for itself. Nov 24 23:34:12 Thanks! I'm done. Nov 24 23:34:30 Bunni3 Nov 24 23:34:43 Thanks much Chava and sylverling for pointing out that you have all the badges. because i would like to say that i am a proud owner of JUST 2 1500 badges... Nov 24 23:35:10 why am i proud? because i didn't flee all my tools left and right to gain badges. i played PMOG as it should and gained gained them by having fun doing what i love Nov 24 23:35:40 i have been playing for 7 months and not yet being a lvl 20 of having all tool badges shows that i am in it for the fun. and not the glory Nov 24 23:36:07 i also would like to point out the experience of my VP Nov 24 23:36:22 david has been one of the biggest helps to the trustees by breaking PMOG Nov 24 23:36:35 it has shown them what it's not perfect and what should be done to fix it Nov 24 23:37:12 as the resident bedouin.. it shows that i am not afriad to stand up for the underdogs of PMOG Nov 24 23:37:32 i am loving every inch of fighting for those who are not the most popular Nov 24 23:37:37 that is all :D Nov 24 23:37:59 excellent answers from all our candidates Nov 24 23:38:19 if chaos week was any indication we all know that PMOGeans love bloodsport Nov 24 23:38:58 so for the first time in our debates tonight I'll open the floor and allow our candidates one minute's time to rip eachother to pieces Nov 24 23:39:18 GO! Nov 24 23:39:44 one of bunni3's 1500 badges is a chaos badge. Nov 24 23:39:44 I shall abstain from this particular even. It is most assuredly unethical. I allow my fellow candidates to play in this violent field. Nov 24 23:39:48 she didn't want to admit she loves the mines Nov 24 23:39:53 I would like to take this moment to invite the audience to do a /whois on greatleader Nov 24 23:40:00 giving them, just as much as receiving... Nov 24 23:40:07 * sylverling pauses for chava's benefit Nov 24 23:40:10 Perhaps after that they might want to /whois other members of this room Nov 24 23:40:21 and my ONE chaos badge was in sacrifice for Order.. i supported Prisk Armorgeddon with mines for them to win Nov 24 23:40:23 And they would find out the truth about the sham that is greatleader Nov 24 23:40:40 * Bunni3 will hold all comments for chava's important statement Nov 24 23:40:56 * sylverling already knew the truth, because, like, chaos is awesome that way Nov 24 23:41:12 as to dearleader, his account shows as having been created 6 months ago, clearly the work of a trustee. We have logs indicating that dearleader is none other than Joe Wagner. Nov 24 23:41:17 A sham! Nov 24 23:41:22 shenanigans! Nov 24 23:41:29 ...which are the realm of chaos, i believe Nov 24 23:42:05 I invite greatleader to call me a liar again to my face Nov 24 23:42:09 Evidence A [greatleader] (i=485be21f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee8f7c9cdc4cdce9): pool-72-91-226-31.tampfl.fios.verizon.net Nov 24 23:42:20 Evidence B [Shyiskhar] (n=Cain@pool-72-91-226-31.tampfl.fios.verizon.net): Kal Nov 24 23:42:21 I am unsure as to what I am being accused of. Nov 24 23:42:28 BAM Nov 24 23:42:35 /me would like to take this opportunity to point out that shyiskhar is the Minister of Evil for her campaign as well Nov 24 23:42:38 it's right there greatleader aka Shyiskhar Nov 24 23:42:39 and is doing his part rather well. Nov 24 23:42:46 Well... That seems faintly damnable. Nov 24 23:42:53 Wrong, but damnable. Nov 24 23:42:56 Hah... Nov 24 23:42:59 AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREEEEEEEEEEEE.... TO VOTE FOR THE INDEPENDENT PARTY Nov 24 23:43:06 fail, dude. Nov 24 23:43:09 * sylverling goes to mine Nov 24 23:43:14 again. Nov 24 23:43:50 this is quite sensational Nov 24 23:43:56 i don't quite know how to proceed :o Nov 24 23:44:14 So what can a liar bring to you PMOG!? Shyiskhar who started the elections is trying to scam you and control you via a mask Nov 24 23:44:29 i did say he was Evil Nov 24 23:44:41 and myself along with sylverling and Chava are open books.. no masks here Nov 24 23:44:42 fortunately, we have enigmagirl tempering his evilness with her cuddliness Nov 24 23:44:45 With one of my opponents clearly labeled a sham, I shall now direct my attentions to sylverling Nov 24 23:44:49 mhmm? Nov 24 23:44:52 your minute is up Nov 24 23:45:51 truly the kind of foolishness only a PMOG election could create :D Nov 24 23:47:03 okay Nov 24 23:47:24 having just ascribed some sense of personification to PMOG I'd like to ask the candidates this question Nov 24 23:47:41 How did you get into PMOG in the first place? Nov 24 23:48:10 greatleader, if these shocking allegations will not deter you, the floor is yours Nov 24 23:48:37 Interestingly, Relating to the terrible allegations... I can tell you how. Nov 24 23:49:32 I was invited. A few months back by another individual, who shall remain nameless. I've been watching, on occasion. And this seemed like a chance to mess with him a little. Nov 24 23:50:00 Of course, The simple fact that I am messing with him does not by any means deter me from my goal. I fully mean all I have said. Nov 24 23:50:08 And continue to do so. Nov 24 23:50:12 That is all. Nov 24 23:50:21 thank you sir Nov 24 23:50:32 sylverling Nov 24 23:51:39 I was invited onto Pmog by enigmagirl shortly after it left Beta the first time. I fell in love with tools, particularly mines - Hellfire was my first 1500 badge - and have stayed for that reason. Nov 24 23:51:42 thanks! Nov 24 23:52:04 Bunni3! what brought you to PMOG? Nov 24 23:52:10 * Bunni3 is on it Nov 24 23:52:27 last april my good grade school friend opie aka akraut in #pmog invited me to PMOG Nov 24 23:52:38 while sitting at his house he was like OMG check this new game out Nov 24 23:52:56 he did such a great job of selling it that i signed up. i saw the different tools and i spotted armor Nov 24 23:53:21 i fell in love with the armor from day one. it's just very shinneh. and now i spend my days crushing through all the mines i find Nov 24 23:53:25 and that is all :D Nov 24 23:53:48 Excellent Nov 24 23:54:04 Now, a question that plagues the minds of all pmoggers Nov 24 23:54:12 what is your favorite, and least favorite tool? Nov 24 23:54:31 and we'll begin with sylverling Nov 24 23:54:37 you forgot chava, dude. Nov 24 23:54:42 oh snap Nov 24 23:55:04 apologies sir :D Nov 24 23:55:12 Thank you moderator, apologies accepted. Nov 24 23:55:15 The original question was how did we get into PMOG. I learned about it from a link on BOINGBOING. I got into the game by chatting with the fellow players. It was the community that pushed me to gain more DP, use more tools, and earn more badges. I arrived via BOINGBOING, but I got into it thanks to each and everyone of the PMOGers Nov 24 23:55:32 I'm done, thank you. Nov 24 23:56:01 thank you Chava, I'm glad we didn't miss that excellent response Nov 24 23:56:21 sylverling, the question again being to describe your favorite and least favorite PMOG tool Nov 24 23:56:39 Thanks. :-) Wouldn't want to deprive my opponent of his turn, especially because he's been infinitely generous with providing me with my favorite tool these many months: the one and only mine. Nov 24 23:56:56 It's just so useful! And so splodey! And it goes boom! And you can use it to show affection or to punish. It's lovely. Nov 24 23:57:29 Now, my least favorite tool would have to be the lightpost. I know I've made a number of missions and I know that I was a Pathmaker for PRisk, but honestly, it's just a very difficult tool to use. Nov 24 23:57:58 It's hard to make a good, quality mission, and I fully believe it's frequently abused by people just out for the few DP that come from mission takers. Nov 24 23:58:05 that's all! Nov 24 23:58:16 super fun Nov 24 23:58:32 alright this is a very easy question Nov 24 23:58:49 as it's very obvious my favorite tool is armor. Nov 24 23:59:17 why? because i can use it to protect myself, my allies (by crating it to them), and Pmoggers by taking out all the mines i find in the wild Nov 24 23:59:24 a way to show love for every player Nov 24 23:59:35 least favorite tool is the portals Nov 24 23:59:57 i find no need for them. when instead of laying on portal, i can make an entire mission filled with great alternate sites Nov 25 00:00:09 a nice organized way of showing more great sites on the internet Nov 25 00:00:14 thanks. that's all Nov 25 00:00:30 Chava, your thoughts Nov 25 00:00:58 Thank you moderator. And thank you for your praise of my previous answer. As to the matter at hand, my favorite tool is, of course, the mine. I am recognized as one of the best destroyers in PMOG and I would submit to an independent study to prove that I have laid more mines than anyone else in PMOG. I'd mention that the crate is a close second favorite. As to my least favorite, that would... Nov 25 00:00:59 ...be the St. Nick. It goes against my favorite tool and results in a blip of nothingness. This does not mean I do not use it (I have the Good Doctor badge), but simply that it is the least favorite of the tools I use. Nov 25 00:01:34 thank you Nov 25 00:01:55 greatleader Nov 25 00:02:15 All tools are grand if used in the right context. The tools of chaos can easily be used to control those who refuse to participate in the great salvation of PMOG, and the great equalizing. The tools of Order are of course already meant for that purpose. Nov 25 00:02:45 My personal favorite though? Is the community of PMOG. Tools to the end of saving themselves. Nov 25 00:02:53 Thank you. That is all. Nov 25 00:03:05 Very good Nov 25 00:03:25 and again I'll now open the floor to general tool discussion Nov 25 00:03:36 which inevitably breaks down across party lines Nov 25 00:03:40 remember, go for the throat! Nov 25 00:04:01 I would like to point out that greatleader proposed that ALL tools are good, which is my stance and that he called all PMOGers tools. Nov 25 00:04:09 I don't know about you, but I'm not a tool Nov 25 00:04:26 chava stole that from another pmogger, though Nov 25 00:04:33 I did? Nov 25 00:04:37 Prove it Nov 25 00:04:38 i would also like to point out something about sylverling.. next to chava, she is one of the regulars who mine me because i like it. now is that at all chaotic? Nov 25 00:04:51 0:04 abztrakt did greatleader just call us all tools? Nov 25 00:04:56 there's my evidence Nov 25 00:05:23 i mine bunni3 when she asks, yes. but i also mine her when she DOESN'T ask. and i mine others as well. mines are good for everyone Nov 25 00:05:40 why should i ask. it's PMOGwide that i LOVE getting mined Nov 25 00:05:41 Twisting my words is all my candidates can manage? Nov 25 00:05:44 sylverling, I wasn't watching the main chan. I did, however, make this comment in a PM to my VP. [00:04] But... he called pmoggers tools Nov 25 00:05:50 Same time stamp Nov 25 00:06:28 yeah...i don't have seconds with mibbit, so i can't prove it beyond that. *shrug* i'm not privy to your private conversations, obviously. the sentiment is true enough anyway. Nov 25 00:06:37 beautiful Nov 25 00:06:44 that had nothing to do with the issues Nov 25 00:06:44 you missed. Nov 25 00:06:49 just like politics for real! :D Nov 25 00:07:27 Now Nov 25 00:07:46 the one question that will determine the outcome of the election Nov 25 00:07:59 Why shouldn't the players of PMOG vote for someone other than yourself? Nov 25 00:08:27 Bunni3, testify Nov 25 00:08:52 Simple. i stand for all pmoggers. Order and Chaos. i want nothing more than to allow pmoggers the chance to be themselves Nov 25 00:09:01 and i have a cabinet full of members showing that Nov 25 00:09:20 and that's how simple it is.. thanks :D Nov 25 00:09:46 that was wonderfully concise Nov 25 00:10:00 like the Gettysburg Address or something, well done Nov 25 00:10:11 Chava Nov 25 00:10:24 I am an independent and I encourage all PMOGers to examine the issues and look within themselves and answer this easy question: Do you really want to lock in yourself to a single set of tools? I think most of them will find that they are actually omnitoolians. That is what I and my VP Stephen stand for. We stand for them. Nov 25 00:10:28 Thank you. Nov 25 00:10:55 a lightning quick response from a candidate who truly knows where they stand Nov 25 00:11:13 greatleader Nov 25 00:11:20 Because despite accusations, invalid reasoning and terrible attacks on my person. I am still fighting for each and everyone of the Shoats of PMOG. That is TRULY all. Nov 25 00:13:05 a wonderful message of altruism indeed Nov 25 00:13:14 and slyverling Nov 25 00:13:40 You should vote for me because I stand for bacon. Nov 25 00:13:51 Which is, as we all know, an element of Chaos. Nov 25 00:13:53 Thanks. Nov 25 00:14:20 the forces arrayed against you are none Nov 25 00:14:24 everyone enjoys bacon. Nov 25 00:14:43 I've prepared just two more questions here Nov 25 00:14:53 this one deals with a current PMOG issue Nov 25 00:15:04 Where do you stand on casino gambling? Nov 25 00:15:18 Chava Nov 25 00:15:45 I am obviously for it, since it's run by my VP and part of our platform Nov 25 00:16:06 The casino is one of many ways to extend the possibilities of PMOG, to provide further entertainment Nov 25 00:16:29 We are here to have fun and my VP is commited to helping that Nov 25 00:16:39 it's worth noting that the casino is not for profit and has independent funding Nov 25 00:17:10 thank you Nov 25 00:17:41 greatleader, you were quite outspoken on this issue earlier Nov 25 00:17:52 Gambling is a complex issue. When run as non profit I truly see no harm in it. Despite it's seedy reputation, it can truly be a force for good. However, It requires a certain set of checks and balances. Nov 25 00:18:44 I am unsure as to whether any rules are placed on any of the current systems. As such, I find gambling to be a risky and somewhat dangerous pursuit. Nov 25 00:19:24 However, I also aknowledge the wisdom of our regular shoats. With the correct education, they too will spot a scam, and thus allow themselves to be free of any cheating systems. Nov 25 00:19:56 sylverling Nov 25 00:20:26 it's random chance, isn't it? emphasis on the random? as a promoter of chaos, why wouldn't I love it? Nov 25 00:20:29 that's all. Nov 25 00:21:24 i support it on one simple basis.. that it remains organized and does not force the players to dump all their DP into it to keep it going Nov 25 00:21:38 that's all Nov 25 00:22:03 excellent answers from all our candidates Nov 25 00:22:44 And the final question Nov 25 00:23:39 If you are elected, how will you purge PMOG of the other candidates? And if you are not elected, what attempts will you make to overthrow the elected administration? Nov 25 00:23:57 greatleader, give us some insight Nov 25 00:24:28 Moral aptitude is defined by ones ability to lose gracefully. Nov 25 00:25:04 Though I am not a loser, I will of course admit defeat should I lose. I would even be willing to work for my fellow order candidate, In furthering the goals of our parties. Nov 25 00:25:33 Should I win however, I would hope my fellows would see the wisdom in merging with me. Nov 25 00:25:40 And leading PMOG to a better future. Nov 25 00:25:43 That is all. Nov 25 00:26:01 sylverling, what can we expect? Nov 25 00:26:06 I don't intend to purge PMOG of the other candidates. I need Order to prove that Chaos is superior; one can't be the best if one is the only. Nov 25 00:27:02 In terms of overthrowing an elected administration...well...Order needs Chaos to exist, as well; I'll just be obnoxious until they resign in exasperation from all my mines. Nov 25 00:27:06 thanks. Nov 25 00:27:31 Bunni3 Nov 25 00:27:56 this question is borderline offending to Order. why would Order ever want to purge anyone? Chaos keeps us busy, always trying to stop them. Nov 25 00:28:28 as far as overthrowing? how Orderly is that? we would do nothing expect prove to PMOG that they elected the wrong party. Nov 25 00:28:43 except prove* Nov 25 00:28:46 that's all Nov 25 00:28:55 My party believes in democracy, when we are elected we will not purge PMOG of the other candidates. Indeed, we shall embrace them and invite them to join us in making PMOG a better game for all of us. Thank you. Nov 25 00:29:14 excellent Nov 25 00:29:32 i'm surprised that there's not a single demagogue among you :D Nov 25 00:29:48 that's it for the first PMOG presidential debate Nov 25 00:30:04 I would like to take an opportunity to thank the candidates Nov 25 00:30:16 and also thank those of you viewing the debates Nov 25 00:30:27 remember your vote is your voice!