--- Log opened Tue Nov 25 00:01:00 2008
01:16 -!- Shyiskhar is now known as Shaloiskhar
01:52  * gbelste goes to party
01:55 < gbelste> Exactly what time are the debates supposed to happen?
02:12 <@snocrsh> midnight
02:12 <@snocrsh> EST
02:19 < gbelste> Hmmm. 10 pm for Mountain. I think
02:20 -!- Bunni3 [n=Bunni3@97-91-169-174.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #PMOG.debate
02:25 < Shaloiskhar> You people know I love you. I turned down an epic game of munchkins for this crap. :P
02:25 -!- Shaloiskhar is now known as Shyiskhar
02:27 < Bunni3> munchkins?
02:27 < Bunni3> and is snocrsh our host :D
02:28 < Shyiskhar> Munchkins is a card game. That is indeed Epic and amazing. And I dunno.
02:28 < Shyiskhar> David kinda claimed the room while I was off doing other things, and made sno op. Since I know very little about IRC, I'm kinda hoping he is...
02:29 < Bunni3> IRC isn't all that hard really
02:29 < Shyiskhar> But, it's much much easier if you already have all the various modes etc memorized.
02:29 < Bunni3> all you have to do is +m the candidates and host and all is well :D
02:30 < Shyiskhar> I don't want to be mid debate, and realize that I have no idea what I'm doing and have to go poke Google.
02:30 < Bunni3> hmmm reverse that +m those who are not typing
02:30 < Bunni3> nah i doubt there will beed to be any reason? do you expect like a showdown? lol
02:30 < Shyiskhar> mode +m the room? Then voice the candidates? I thought thats what I'd read.. but like I said, not a great IRC op.
02:31 < Shyiskhar> Bunni3, If greatleader shows up. Yes. :P
02:31 < Bunni3> haha oh does he have time to show up at that time? normally he would be sleeping
02:32 < Shyiskhar> I don't know who he is, Nor do I want to. But if theres a chance he will, then I am expecting a bit of a battle. :)
02:32 < Bunni3> nah i already told both that i have no intentions of furthering their drama. and that i will stand by lol
02:32 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+m] by snocrsh
02:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
02:33 <+Bunni3> oo there we go :D
02:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v gbelste] by snocrsh
02:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v nlamothe] by snocrsh
02:33 <+Bunni3> erm i think ONLY candidates get voice right?
02:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Shyiskhar] by snocrsh
02:33 <+Shyiskhar> Woot!
02:33 <@snocrsh> yeah i'm just practicing
02:34 <+Bunni3> oh ok :D
02:34 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-m] by snocrsh
02:34 <+Bunni3> i wonder how many of my party i can fill in here.. i can win just by the muted masses? :D
02:34 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Shyiskhar] by snocrsh
02:34 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v nlamothe] by snocrsh
02:34 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v gbelste] by snocrsh
02:34 < Shyiskhar> I don't intend on participating unless someone has a question about the actual processes. I'm not involved except as the person running the campaign.
02:34 <+Bunni3> if you use xchat they give you cheat buttons.. you can just click an M to mute and unmute and then click anyone to voice. yay for shortcuts
02:35 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
02:35 < Bunni3> you mean just the person who thought of it.. because everyone else is doing the work :D
02:35 < Shyiskhar> Erm. -campaign, +election.
02:35 < Shyiskhar> What!? You have no idea what I have been up to with this thing.. hah.
02:35 < Bunni3> btw did you pick and end of this round of voting?
02:36 < Shyiskhar> I'm thinking maybe thursday? Thanksgiving seems like a good end.
02:36 < Bunni3> lol that's a LONG prelim voting hehe
02:37 < Shyiskhar> Yeah, but PMOG isn't like real life, where you can't avoid coverage. I want tonights debate up for tomorrow, give everyone a chance to see it...
02:37 < Bunni3> btw how is it going to be up?
02:37 < Shyiskhar> And then we'll start the main voting pretty quick after. Then president...
02:37 < Bunni3> so there are 2 more voting processes?
02:38 < Shyiskhar> Goddamn, How badly I wish to make sexual jokes about being up now...
02:38 < Shyiskhar> No, One more round. Next round is presidential choice.
02:38 < Bunni3> shhh i expect this log is going to be fairly long.. so how are we going to have it posted?
02:38 < Shyiskhar> I don't want this turning into PRISK, lasting for months. hah.
02:39 < Bunni3> btw is this room going to be open for anyone to join?
02:39 < Shyiskhar> I Hadn't thought about it yet. There're plenty of free websites. We can just up it to one of them, and then link it.
02:39 <@snocrsh> this room is open for anyone to join, yes
02:39 < Shyiskhar> So far as I know. anyone can join, only candidates I and Sno have the ability to talk.
02:40 < Bunni3> ok well we should keep the room muted and voice only who needs it. just so some random player doesn't join and start filling the channel with flaming lol
02:40 < Bunni3> Shyiskhar: currently we ALL can talk lol
02:40 < Shyiskhar> That's 'cos sno turned off +m.
02:40 < Bunni3> yep
02:41 < Shyiskhar> Debates don't start 'til midnight. Don't see why we shouldn't just faff about 'til then. hah.
02:41 <@snocrsh> my thoughts exactly
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02:41 < Shyiskhar> SHH! It's him!
02:41 <@snocrsh> speaking of flops
02:41 < Bunni3> ok i am hungry and want food... just woke up from my nap and haven't eaten all day so brb
02:41 < Shyiskhar> Make me a sammich.
02:41  * Zous smacks Shy
02:41 < Shyiskhar> Wha?
02:41 < Bunni3> my first concern is making me a sammich :D
02:42 < Shyiskhar> And then me
02:42 < Shyiskhar> ?
02:42 -!- Zous is now known as ShyiskharIsDumb
02:42 < Bunni3> if there's time left.. one of my shows come on in 20..
02:42 < ShyiskharIsDumb> my name is Shyiskhar
02:42 < ShyiskharIsDumb> I'm stoopid
02:42 < ShyiskharIsDumb> with my anglo spellin'
02:42 < ShyiskharIsDumb> and my florida learnin
02:42 <@snocrsh>  /kick :|
02:42 -!- ShyiskharIsDumb is now known as Zous
02:42 <@snocrsh> because we all know FL > GA
02:43 -!- Shyiskhar is now known as biteme
02:43 < Bunni3> haha
02:43 < Zous> lies
02:43 < Zous> all lies
02:43 < Zous> I had to get it on the record, since the chat logs are going public
02:43 < biteme> I was expecting freenode to yell at me for this nick being registered. But it's not!
02:43 < Zous> lol
02:43 -!- biteme is now known as Shyiskhar
02:44 < Shyiskhar> I hope none of you mind. During the Election I will be drinking heavily and watching Metalocalypse.
02:45 < Shyiskhar> Business as usual, in fact.
02:46 <@snocrsh> you may have just earned my vote
02:46 < Shyiskhar> Hah. If only i was an option...
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02:46 < Shyiskhar> I voted drudge.
02:46 < Shyiskhar> :P
02:46 <@snocrsh> #1
02:47 < Shyiskhar> Exactly.
02:47 -!- masteraramil [n=chatzill@pm3-1-93.coonvalley.mwt.net] has joined #pmog.debate
02:47 < Shyiskhar> That's prolly how many votes he actually got.
02:47 <@snocrsh> oh snap
02:47 < Shyiskhar> With his impressive campaign tactic of not actually even knowing he was in the running. hah.
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02:48 <@snocrsh> i would vote for that over tyranny
02:48 < Bunni3> and the flood gates are opening
02:48 < Shyiskhar> I really want drudge to win. Bunni3, abdicate if you win in favor of drudge.
02:49 < Shyiskhar> It'll be funny.
02:49 < masteraramil> hahaha
02:49 < masteraramil> thats all the reasoning you need
02:49 < Shyiskhar> Reason is for the sober!
02:50 -!- greatleader [i=485be21f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee8f7c9cdc4cdce9] has joined #PMOG.debate
02:52 < Pixielo> Haha
02:54 <@snocrsh> I should probably generate some questions here
02:55 < greatleader> I am merely making sure the general elite do not misuse this channel for behavior meant to oppress my campaign and the campaign of the working man.
02:55 <@snocrsh> do y'all have any PMOG political queries?
02:55 < Shyiskhar> Where is my free money?
02:55 <@snocrsh> that is a noble goal indeed
02:55 < masteraramil> Yeah, we need tax rebates!
02:55 < Shyiskhar> I demand a economic stimulation check!
02:55 < Shyiskhar> So I can buy shoes.
02:56 <@snocrsh> OMGshoes
02:56 < Pixielo> SHOES
02:56 < masteraramil> Lets buy some shoes!
02:57 <@snocrsh> PMOG needs to have its equivalent of the bailouts
02:57 < greatleader> Shoes? In this time of horrific abuse, We desire shoes. This is okay. As you all know my goal is to refine the system. Causing any accumulated wealth to go into the governments PMOG account. Where it will be given equally to all users.
02:58 < masteraramil> we need to recoup the losses of the many crates lost to the abyss of the web
02:59 < Shyiskhar> The answer to that should be simple. We all stop crating randomly on the web, and instead crate my profile. I promise nothing will go to waste...
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03:03 < greatleader> See? This is what I am saying. Greed is killing the great nation of PMOG. A desire to GET things has left us all with a desire to TAKE. My recent minings clearly show the anger this system produces. Offered an alternative the Rich members of our society attack that which would become the great equalizer. Should we instead of seeking to GET and seek to IMPRESS, to be of value because being of value is what matters 
03:06 < Shyiskhar> Hippy.
03:06 < enigmagirl> eloquent, but empty rhetoric.
03:06 < Shyiskhar> Did the debate start early? What? Let's not start 'til at least Bunni3 gets back!
03:06  * enigmagirl is not debating. Just saying.
03:06 < masteraramil> hes not a hippy, hes a red
03:06 < Bunni3> more importantly chava nor sylverling are here.. lol
03:07 < Shyiskhar> I'm not sure if Chava is coming. He didn't tell me anything...
03:07 < Shyiskhar> Is there a difference between a Hippy and a pinko?
03:09 < Bunni3> Shyiskhar: Chava> aren't they later?
03:09 < Bunni3> <Chava> If I'm still awake I will
03:10 < greatleader> Once more the personal attacks. And this is okay. It merely proves my point. An attack by the wealthy class, on the hard working man.
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03:10 < Shyiskhar> Whatup sir!
03:11 < Bunni3> tranny isn't here.. didn't he say he was coming?
03:11  * Chava reserves the right to remain silent
03:11 < gbelste> wow. Its hoppin over here!
03:11 < Bunni3> need some duct tape chava?
03:12 < Shyiskhar> I reserve the right to have Sno kick you. For fun and profit.
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03:12 < Chava> No thanks, that one
03:13 < sylverling> hmm?
03:13 < Shyiskhar> Chava wants you out of the running Sylver, you see that personal attack he made?
03:13 < sylverling> no, i missed it
03:13 < sylverling> what happened?
03:14 < Shyiskhar> I'm drunk by the by, Hence the poor trolling. I'll stop when the debates officially start. hah.
03:15 < Chava> I would like to take this moment to thank the audience for their willingness to either watch these debates live or slog through the logs later on. It is you that inspire us and we shall all try to uphold the power which you confer to us with the utmost respect for you.
03:15 < Shyiskhar> Thank you Chava. Any other opening statements the candidates would like to express?
03:16 < Bunni3> i thnk Chava said it all for us :D
03:16 < sylverling> oh, we're starting?
03:16 < Chava> Also, I like babies, women have the right to choose, same sex marriages are a-ok and I will strive to put a mine in every profile and a crate every page
03:17 < masteraramil> *audience claps*
03:17 < sylverling> CHAOS
03:17 < sylverling> that is all i have to say.
03:17 < Bunni3> order!
03:17 < greatleader> I'd like to state merely that these false campaign promises all sound incredibly good. Were I not to ask my next question, i may indeed fall for them myself. But here it is. Where do you plan on getting the DP for these promises?
03:17  * sylverling points out that the debate isn't supposed to start yet, although because she likes chaos, it's all good 
03:18 < Shyiskhar> Woe people. Midnight.
03:18 < Shyiskhar> Calm down.
03:18  * sylverling will earn each DP the hard way, visiting websites and having people take her missions
03:18 < Shyiskhar> only two hours to go!
03:18 < sylverling> CHAOS
03:18 < sylverling> lol
03:18 < Chava> CHAOS AND ORDER
03:18 < Chava> TOGETHER!
03:18 < Bunni3> um ORDER
03:18 < sylverling> fail.
03:18 -snocrsh:#PMOG.debate- LESS THAN TWO HOURS TO GAME TIME FOLKS
03:19 < Chava> @ greatleader: I already have sufficient funds and my VP is manager of the PMOG Casino.
03:20 < greatleader> A corrupt means to take the hard earned DP of the working man! And your ill gotten DP should not be used for government purposes. Such corruption should NOT stand, and must NOT be tolerated.
03:21 < sylverling> my DP is not ill-gotten; it is self-earned.
03:21 < Chava> @ greatleader, the casino provides a safe environment for consenting players to bet with each other. The odds are 50/50, and thus never abuse the players.
03:22 < Chava> We merely provide additional functionality to PMOG, which is something I bet we can all agree is a good thing
03:22 < Shyiskhar> Seriously, wait for the debate people!
03:22 <@snocrsh> y'all are gonna be all debated out
03:22  * Chava is just warming up
03:22 < Chava> So will all the logs be posted, or just once we start?
03:22 < greatleader> Unlike my opponents, I shall adhere to the current system. We shall continue this in the debates.
03:23 < Shyiskhar> I hope only once we get started. Zous called me stupid earlier...
03:23 -!- Stephen [n=FesterCl@pool-71-252-151-213.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #PMOG.debate
03:24  * sylverling sees flaws in the current system
03:24 <@snocrsh> DavidSev is the one loggin' i do believe so whatever he decides
03:24 < Chava> I would like to welcome my VP to this room
03:24 < Bunni3> many of us log IRC
03:24 < Stephen> Hello everyone.
03:25 < Bunni3> i have everything logged since the moment i got here... and i am pretty sure pix logs things too.. we will be fine :D
03:25 <@snocrsh> i just started one
03:25  * Stephen has just enabled his logs as well
03:25 <@snocrsh> so in the event of nuclear war on STL and DC we're fine
03:25 < Bunni3> see logs for all!
03:26 < Shyiskhar> uh oh. I might be in trouble.
03:26 < masteraramil> hahahaha
03:28 < Chava> So... we're going to wait 1 and a half hours more?
03:28  * Chava may be gone by then
03:28 < Shyiskhar> Hopefully. in case others show up.
03:28 < enigmagirl> I may be gone by then too.
03:28 < Shyiskhar> Sorry sir and ma'am.
03:29 < Shyiskhar> Unless everyone agrees to just start.
03:29 < Chava> Who's in charge of this pompous display of verbality?
03:29 < Shyiskhar> I mean, I don't mind if we're all agreed.
03:29 < Shyiskhar> Technically sno.
03:29 <@snocrsh> i'm puttin the reigns on it
03:29 <@snocrsh> but i don't claim to be in charge
03:29 < Chava> Hmmm...
03:30 < Stephen> We should wait until the alloted time, but are we still expecting any debators?
03:30 < Chava> Are we going to go +m and be voiced?
03:30 <@snocrsh> yes we are
03:30 < Chava> Excellent
03:31 < Shyiskhar> I don't know. Tyranical may show, but he said he's in europe.. so, It'll be like 5 or 6 in the morning there.
03:31 < Chava> Thank you very much for setting up this debate, snocrsh. I am sure you will be an excellent moderator.
03:31 < Stephen> I'd like to thank our hosts for providing an organized forum in which to speak.
03:31 < Bunni3> Stephen: taht would be david to thanks :P
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03:31 < Chet|dinner> wtf, when was this made
03:31 -!- Chet|dinner is now known as Chetyre
03:32 < Shyiskhar> Like the DAY I announced it. hah
03:32 < Chetyre> I'm glad snocrsh is an op
03:33 < Shyiskhar> What? I'm not good enough for you?
03:33 < Chetyre> eh is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything
03:34 < Shyiskhar> Hah. I shall take that reasoning.
03:34 < Chava> Chetyre: As president, I will ensure you get classes t speak good and do other stuff good too
03:34 < Chetyre> that's good!
03:38 < greatleader> I advise education for all our youths.
03:38 < Chetyre> oh, there's greatleader
03:38 < Chetyre> I donated to his campaign
03:39 < greatleader> The workers party remembers its friends.
03:40 <@snocrsh> where's dearleader?
03:41  * sylverling welcomes and thanks her new campaign members, engimagirl, chetyre, shyiskhar, snocrsh, pixielo, and masteraramil
03:41 < greatleader> I'm afraid my VP is resting. I am unsure as where he may currently be.
03:41 < Shyiskhar> Aha! I'm a cabinet member!
03:41 <@snocrsh> ... :|
03:41 < Chetyre> Dearleader is away right now, I'm not sure where he is
03:41  * Shyiskhar ponders how Chet knows this.
03:41 < sylverling> *enigmagirl. i can spell.
03:41 < enigmagirl> Ahem. Yes indeed.
03:42 < Chetyre> Well I know, because he isn't in the room
03:42 < Shyiskhar> Mmmhm...
03:42 < Chetyre> Besides, I'm runnning as a cabinet member.  It would be unethical to run under two aliases
03:42  * sylverling snorts
03:42 < Chava> That would be terribly unethical
03:42 < sylverling> but gloriously chaotic, and morally ambiguous indeed.
03:43 < greatleader> Yes. And a clear sign of the corruption of this current system.
03:43 < Chava> The public will know the truth about you, greatleader
03:43 < sylverling> well, chetyre is the minister of moral ambiguity in my cabinet.
03:43 < Chava> you're not that great
03:44  * gbelste is confused Chetyre seems to be all knowing. Illuminati! New PMOG Order?! 
03:44 < sylverling> no
03:44 < sylverling> new pmog chaos
03:45 < greatleader> The public knows all. I have no secrets. Unlike a certain member of this room.
03:45 < gbelste> Background info: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/
03:45 < sylverling> order is something of which i am not a fan
03:45 < gbelste> oh snap
03:46 < Shyiskhar> I'm now officially confused by the conspiracies going on here.
03:46 < Chetyre> Oh man.  Too many #pmog related channels to watch tonight
03:46 < sylverling> lol
03:46 < Stephen> It's all about the game my friends
03:46 < Chetyre> I just lost the game
03:46 < Shyiskhar> And how you play it?
03:46 < Stephen> Fairly
03:46 < Chetyre> Hah!  And that's going public!  I pity the fools who read this chanlog
03:47 < masteraramil> i just lost it
03:47 < Chava> I won it like 4 months ago
03:47 <@snocrsh> lost the game again
03:47 < Chava> It was awesome, I got a badge and everything
03:47 < Chetyre> Chin up snocrsh, you're always a winner in my book
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03:54 < greatleader> I would like to welcome mr. Sikkdays to the event.
03:54 < Bunni3> sikkdays the great Secretary of PMOG :)
03:54 < sikkdays> Howdy peeps
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04:01 -snocrsh:#PMOG.debate- One hour 'til debate time
04:02 -snocrsh:#PMOG.debate- PM your questions
04:02 < Pixielo> I will not be able to stay awake...
04:02 < Chava> I doubt I'll be on
04:03 < sikkdays> I'll keep you up by typing in CAPS, I know U luvz itz
04:03 <@snocrsh> I'm not sure I will either
04:03 < sylverling> who are we missing?
04:03 < Chava> This is clearly a conspiracy to undermine our position
04:03 <@snocrsh> if we've got all our candidates assembled I say we proceed
04:03 < sylverling> oh, tyranicoverlord is who's missing
04:03 < Pixielo> It was Zous's call to start it midnight...and he's gone to bed already...
04:03 <@snocrsh> :|
04:03 < Bunni3> i think the only one missins is tranny
04:04 < Pixielo> Ahhh...what time zone is he in?
04:04 < sylverling> somewhere in europe
04:04 < Bunni3> well was durdge at all going to show?
04:04 <@snocrsh> central i do believe
04:04 < sylverling> snocrsh: i thought tyranic was in the UK or western europe?
04:04 <@snocrsh> oh I thought we were talking about Zous
04:04 < Shyiskhar> I thought Pix was tyrannic!
04:04 < sylverling> zous is eastern
04:05 < Bunni3> zous is in eastern time and i think tranny said he was in UK
04:05 < Pixielo> Oh man...that would make it 5 am when we start the debate
04:05 <@snocrsh> nobody in the UK in their right mind is going to be here.
04:05 < sikkdays> I am in denial
04:05 < Pixielo> The dude is going to wake up just for this?
04:05 < Bunni3> i think so lol
04:05 < enigmagirl> nobody said that fellow was in his right mind
04:05 <@snocrsh> in it to win it
04:05 < enigmagirl> witness the crates.
04:06 < Stephen> I dont think tyrannic will be on until he says he is
04:06 < Pixielo> I am suspicious of anyone who would interrupt beauty sleep for an IRC 'debate' for a pointless position
04:06 < Stephen> Probably still asleep
04:06 < Bunni3> maybe tranny is very beautiful alread, pix? :)
04:06 < Bunni3> already*
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04:06 < Shyiskhar> It's not pointless!
04:06 < enigmagirl> It is only right to be suspicious of tyranny.
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04:06 < Shyiskhar> You'll be president!
04:06 < Shyiskhar> That's pretty pointed!
04:07 < Shyiskhar> Someone PM Joe and make him make it official!
04:07 < sikkdays> just as pointed as the US president
04:07 < Shyiskhar> A little more pointed, Due to worldWIDE recognition.
04:07 < Stephen> tushay
04:08 < sylverling> merci's in the other room, just tell her
04:10 < enigmagirl> I regret that I must take my leave. It's late, and I'm germy.
04:11 <@snocrsh> :(
04:11 <@snocrsh> good night, get well soon
04:11 < enigmagirl> Just for the record, I pledge to help PMOG be an ever cuddlier place as sylverling's minister of good.
04:11 < enigmagirl> g'night folks
04:11 < Bunni3> night
04:11 < Shyiskhar> And I pledge to make it spiky. And black.
04:12 < Chetyre> night enigma
04:12 < Shyiskhar> night!
04:12 < sikkdays> night
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04:12 < masteraramil> I pledge to make it toasty and brown
04:12 < masteraramil> night
04:12 < Shyiskhar> Oooh! Master FTW!
04:13 < Chava> nieman was online: 24 Nov 2008 19:41 MST
04:13 < Bunni3> stalker?
04:14 <@snocrsh> S.T.A.L.K.E.R?
04:14 < Chava> Afterdoomsday post timestamp
04:14 < sylverling> heh
04:14 < Chava> just saw him in the forum over there
04:14 < greatleader> All this discussion of change. With no concern for the average PMOG user. The workers party raises the question, Have we sufficiently checked the basic needs of the average working Shoat to be able to decide on a direction? Be it cuddly, Spiky or Bacony?
04:15 < Shyiskhar> There are a lotta Stewards in here! I wonder if Craig will show?
04:15  * sylverling recognizes that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one)...
04:15 -!- gbye is now known as gbelste
04:15 < Bunni3> craig said no because he wants to sleep :D
04:15 < Chava> greatleader, you hypocritical oaf,  your controlling entity loves change
04:15  * sylverling also recognizes, however, that the vast majority of shoats are just that: shoats. new babies who are unable to decide for themselves
04:15 < Shyiskhar> That's crazy talk! The needs of me outweighs the needs of all.
04:15 < sylverling> and if they truly wanted to be a collective democratic society, they wouldn't NEED a leader to help decide for them
04:15 < Chava> Their votes count
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04:16 < sylverling> so, basically, greatleader, your campaign is based on a lie.
04:16 < Chava> Yes, greatleader is a fake
04:16  * sylverling is aware, and has made offers to shoats in appropriate ways
04:16  * Chava has made offers to shoats in inappropriate ways
04:16 < sylverling> i don't consider it bribery. it isn't. it's bringing them up in PMOG tradition.
04:16 < sylverling> with a mining and a crating.
04:17 < sylverling> the one provided by the minister of evil, and the other by the minister of good.
04:17 < greatleader> Exactly the opinion I would expect of an imperialistic slave. The current shoats DON'T require a leader. However, one has been foisted upon them. Forced by the previous ruler. Given there choice, I am sure they would realize that such an act constitutes a violation of there basic shoat rights. As such I am running in there name.
04:17 < greatleader> To return the power to the people!
04:17 < sylverling> and i shall wreak havoc above all.
04:17 < sylverling> but you won't be. you'll have the power.
04:17 < Bunni3> greatleader: their*
04:17  * sylverling thanks bunni3
04:18 < sylverling> and actually there WAS no real previous leader, so you'd be taking power from them, rather thanr estoring it
04:18 < Chava> greatleader: You talk a good talk, but why do you hide under a mask of a shoat?
04:18 < greatleader> A temporary measure. (Thank you madam Bunni3.) I will have power ONLY for the time required to set the average shoats on the path to greatness.
04:18  * sylverling requires proof. timelines, etc. 
04:19 < Bunni3> aye. great question Chava
04:19  * sylverling thinks that greatleader probly thinks he is a shoat still. 
04:19 < greatleader> I am not hiding, I am merely new to the site. I offer a fresh outlook. From the perspective of the shoat. I am sure most of you have forgotten what it feels like to be alone. A shoat loose in a violent and dangerous world.
04:19 < sylverling> only his tender flesh has been sullied by my mines.
04:19  * sylverling is violent and dangerous
04:19 < Chava> greatleader is NOT new. He is a lie being controlled by a well known member of the community.
04:20 < Bunni3> greatleader: no one is convinced you are "new" to this site.. no reasons to remain that act
04:20 < Chava> Reveal thyself!
04:20 < greatleader> Yes. Attacks which were unprovoked, And I hasten to mention you were a participating member of.
04:20  * sylverling agrees with chava
04:20  * sylverling has already taken credit for the mining
04:20 < sylverling> i also mined your VP.
04:20 < greatleader> You can check my profile. I signed up only a short while ago.
04:20  * Chava mined both of you
04:20 < Bunni3> sylverling: ( i don't think he understans what chaos is lol)
04:20 < greatleader> My VP acts on his own. Though that may be why he is not here this evening.
04:21 < Chava> greatleader: You are fooling no one, and the good citizens of PMOG deserve the truth. Why do you deny the people the truth? Why cloak yourself in dishonesty
04:21 < Chava> ?
04:22 < sylverling> at least i am an honest chaot
04:22 < Chetyre> c'mon now, give him a break
04:22 < Chetyre> he seems like a resonable guy
04:22 < greatleader> I deny that there is any dishonesty in my campaign. And these personal attacks are just what I would expect from the rich upper class.
04:22 < sylverling> i leave the lying to my ministers of evil and moral ambiguity :D
04:22 < Bunni3> sylverling: i think your party member is not on your side
04:22  * sylverling isn't rich, she only has 400 DP, and she worked her way to get all of it
04:23 < sylverling> lol, bunni3, he is. he's being morally ambigous
04:23 < greatleader> Faced with a platform you cannot argue, You launch into attacks against my person. All of which must fail. The average shoat is smart enough to see through your underhand tactics.
04:23 < Chetyre> Bunni3:  I have my own motives
04:23  * sylverling thinks the average shoat likes my crates, my support in helping them earn armor badges, and my stewardyness
04:23 < Chava> Sure you do, Dearleader
04:23 < Bunni3> greatleader: you mean you are hoping the average shoat is dumb enough to fall for it?
04:24 < Chava> greatleader: You are a disgrace to leaders everywhere. You accuse me of underhandedness. You would do well to concede defeat and avoid me spilling your horrible secret.
04:25 < greatleader> Bunni3. You may believe the average PMOG user is dumb. This may well be your stand. But I believe that the enforced lack of education is to blame. My campaign is set to educate the people of PMOG in your corruption. To let them use there own reason to see through the bribes and the lies and thus rise above the standards forced upon them by the PMOG elite.
04:25 < Chava> Do you deny a destroyer lives inside you?
04:25 < greatleader> I have never mined a single person.
04:25 < sylverling> you're missing out.
04:25 < Chava> And yet, your controller has mined many
04:26 < Chava> He is even a member of a competing party
04:26 < greatleader> I am a free man sir.
04:26 < Chava> A CHAOS party
04:26 < greatleader> I have no controller.
04:26 < Chava> You are  apuppet
04:26 < Chetyre> chava's getting way too into this
04:26  * Shyiskhar pops popcorn.
04:26 < Shyiskhar> This is like the best debate EVER!
04:26 < Chava> Bwahahahahaha
04:26  * sylverling watches 
04:26  * Chava is having fun
04:27 < sylverling> i'll clean up later
04:27 < Chava> I agree, Shyiskhar, this is fun
04:28 < greatleader> The only thing to which I am a puppet is my morals.
04:28  * sylverling has all brands of morality in her campaign
04:28  * sylverling is representative of all
04:29 < greatleader> by allowing all morality, You clearly choose Immorality.
04:29 < Chava> Ahem. you represent Chaos, my dear
04:29  * Chava represents ALL, both Chaos and Order
04:29 < greatleader> As I have said, All I want is to bring Equality to PMOG.
04:29 < Shyiskhar> Eh! I point out that Chaos doesn't mean - Evil.
04:29 < Shyiskhar> It means Chaos.
04:29 < sylverling> exactly
04:30 < sylverling> i represent everything, because everything moves toward entropy
04:31 < Shyiskhar> Chaos is wholly Amoral. It has no morality and can contain any. It can even contain order.
04:31 < Shyiskhar> That's why Chaos = Win.
04:31 < Chava> How, exactly, can Chaos contain order?
04:31 < Chava> They are, in fact, the opposite of each other.
04:31 < Shyiskhar> Chaos can be anything it wants. Order is merely Chaos in an organized form.
04:32 < Shyiskhar> Abscence of order = Chaos, but Chaos can easily appear ordered.
04:32 < sylverling> because acts of order emphasize what chaos is, and while acts of order strives to make the universe ordered, in the end simply demonstrates that it cannot be.
04:32 < Shyiskhar> Not sure this is the place for this debate.. hah.
04:32 < sylverling> that, and what shy said.
04:33  * sylverling would prefer to debate that point with the candidates for order, though, since chava represents both and is therefore not really able to pull off a debate that equally represents both
04:33 < sylverling> with me.
04:33 < Chava> Why not? I say we have room for both.
04:33 < sylverling> we do. but if i'm arguing chaos, and you're arguing order, you're arguing AGAINST chaos
04:34 < sylverling> which you claim to represent.
04:34 < Chava> I represent both
04:34 < Chava> when did I argue against chaos?
04:34 < Chava> I merely said Chaos could not contain order
04:34 < sylverling> just sayin i think an order candidate is better qualified to debate order vs. chaos from a purely order perspective. :-)
04:34 < Chava> Order cannot contain chaos
04:34 < Chava> We can contain both
04:35 < Shyiskhar> Order is just Chaos organized. Given time any form of order shall return to chaos.
04:35  * sylverling does not contain chaos...
04:35 < Bunni3> Chava sylverling greatleader has you 2 bickering at each other. stop that.. don't let greatleader distract you from his lies
04:35  * sylverling IS chaos. :D
04:35  * sylverling isn't bickering
04:35 < Chava> And I know that even though you pretend to be a proponent of Chaos, you love order. You played as a pathmaker in PRISK, your cabinet has several benefactors and you have all the tool badges. Your a sham! A Chaos candidate that is in bed with their "enemy"
04:35 < Bunni3> you 2 are bickering like a married couple :P
04:35 < Shyiskhar> I'm pure Chaos though.
04:35 < Chetyre> Chava's having so much fun with this
04:35 < Shyiskhar> Unadulterated.
04:36 < Shyiskhar> Not even a little orderly.
04:36 < Chetyre> Don't lie Shy, I've seen your crate usage
04:36  * sylverling is willing to use all tools just to keep people on their toes. isn't that chaotic? 
04:36 < Chava> You should be ashamed to be running on a chaos platform. You should be like me, an independent, free to be chaotic or orderly at will, instead of tied to something you don't believe in.
04:36  * sylverling loves chaos
04:36 < Shyiskhar> I used those crates to spread chaos.
04:36 < sylverling> order's awfully dull, actually. it was hard to be a pathmaker.
04:36 < Chava> I'm not saying you don't... but you love order as well, sylverling.
04:37 < sylverling> i tried it and found it just wasn't me. and crates? meh. others do it better.
04:37 < Chava> Join me and the independents and embrace your duality
04:37 < sylverling> nope, sorry. your campaign doesn't have a minister of bacon.
04:37 < sylverling> and i do.
04:37 < Chetyre> the independent party is for fence sitters
04:37 < Chetyre> she's got a point
04:37 < Chava> Bacon doesn't need a ministry, bacon is free for all of us!
04:37 < Chava> Plus... have you seen my avatar? I'm the most bacony person around
04:38 < sylverling> someone has to procure the bacon to distribute.
04:38  * sylverling is a bacon badger, dude
04:38 < Bunni3> that's why we poke merci, sylverling
04:38 < Shyiskhar> I'm not sure what to do if one of you actually DOES abdicate and go to the other...
04:38 < Chava> We can each be responsible for our own bacon.
04:38 < sylverling> lol
04:38 < Bunni3> poke merci you receive bacon
04:38 < sylverling> not in this chan
04:38 < Chava> And we can share
04:38  * sylverling doesn't share
04:38  * sylverling will give, but not share
04:38 < Chava> [22:38]	* sylverling	doesn't share
04:38 < Bunni3> um sylverling this channel only exists for tonight lol
04:39 < Chava> you heard it here first, folks
04:39 < greatleader> And that's why I need to be the president.
04:39 < sylverling> lol, bunni3, i know
04:39 < Chava> Sylverling DOES NOT SHARE
04:39 < greatleader> All bacon spread equally.
04:39  * sylverling points that chava took that out of context
04:39  * sylverling will happily give bacon to everyone
04:39 < sylverling> but that way each person gets their own bacon
04:39 < Chava> I have not taken anything out of context, the quote is directly above my repetition and is quite clear
04:39 < sylverling> no one has to SHARE bacon.
04:40 < Chava> Would you not share your bacon with a shoat in need?
04:40 < sylverling> no. but i would give the shoat bacon.
04:40 < Chava> What if theirs has been consumed too fast?
04:40 < Chava> Semantics
04:40 < Chava> You cannot even agree with yourself
04:40 < sylverling> it's not semantics
04:40 < Chava> much less form a coherent campaing
04:40 < sylverling> giving it means it belongs to them
04:40 < sylverling> sharing means it belongs to both of us
04:40 < Chava> Chava/Stephen 08!
04:41 < sylverling> i would rather give it to them so it's just theirs
04:41 < Chava> And is that not sharing? Some of yours becomes theirs. THAT is sharing. That is what the independent party proposes... you're just trying to weasel out of this one
04:41 < Bunni3> so are you guys done bickering like a married couple.. and get back to the original plan of proving greatleader a fake?
04:42 < sylverling> once i've given it to them, it no longer belongs to me
04:42 < sylverling> ownership is transferred
04:42 < Chava> No, it doesn't. You've shared it with them
04:42  * sylverling doesn't believe in community property
04:42 < sylverling> nope. i say, "this was my bacon and now it's your bacon" which is not the same is "this is now our bacon"
04:42 < Chava> v., shared, shar?ing, shares.
04:42 < Chava> v.tr.
04:42 < Chava>    1. To divide and parcel out in shares; apportion.
04:42 < Chava>    2. To participate in, use, enjoy, or experience jointly or in turns.
04:43 < Chava>    3. To relate (a secret or experience, for example) to another or others.
04:43 < Chava>    4. To accord a share in (something) to another or others: shared her chocolate bar with a friend.
04:43 < Bunni3> -noun
04:43 < Bunni3> 1. 	the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or contributed or owed by an individual or group.
04:43 < Bunni3> 2. 	one of the equal fractional parts into which the capital stock of a joint-stock company or a corporation is divided.
04:43 < Bunni3> -verb (used with object)
04:43 < Bunni3> 3. 	to divide and distribute in shares; apportion.
04:43 < Bunni3> 4. 	to use, participate in, enjoy, receive, etc., jointly: The two chemists shared the Nobel prize.
04:43 < Bunni3> -verb (used without object)
04:43 < Bunni3> 5. 	to have a share or part; take part (often fol. by in).
04:43 < Bunni3> 6. 	to divide, apportion, or receive equally.
04:43  * Chava high 5's Bunni3
04:43 < Bunni3> haha
04:43 < greatleader> I think sharing is my platform isn't it?
04:43 < sylverling> :-P yall can quote the dictionary at me, but the point is that greatleader is proposing community bacon, and i am not.
04:43 < Chava> greatleader: yes, but you're a sham
04:43 < Bunni3> Chava, sylverling.. just doing my part of order here
04:43 < greatleader> So are we now saying that we all agree with me?
04:44 < sylverling> no!
04:44 < Bunni3> greatleader: don't hold your breath
04:44 < Chava> greatleader: perhaps if you weren't a lie
04:44 < Chava> Don't make me expose you
04:44 < greatleader> I think the logs will show that I was the FIRST to suggest equal shares.
04:44  * sylverling isn't suggesting equal shares
04:44 < sylverling> :D
04:44 < Stephen> greatleader: The only thing you share are the strings that pull you
04:44 < sylverling> that would be too orderly
04:44 < greatleader> And that you are all merely jumping on the wagon of MY ideas.
04:44  * sylverling is jumping on the bandwagon of bacon
04:44 < sylverling> and only bacon.
04:45 < Stephen> Jumping on the bandwagon?!
04:45 < sylverling> which you, as an imposter, clearly do not understand
04:45 < Chava> Seriously, greatleader... I will make your lies known
04:45 < greatleader> Except Madam Sylverling. Who is clearly wrong, but at least staying on her own course.
04:45 < Bunni3> greatleader: leader BEWARE of what logs can prove.. because i have logs NOT in your favor
04:45  * sylverling is right
04:45 < greatleader> I have no lies sir. You cannot prove anything, because there is nothing to prove.
04:45 < greatleader> And that madam, goes for you too.
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04:46 < Chava> greatleader: Call me a liar one more time, and I shall unveil your horrible secret
04:46 < Stephen> greatleader: You speak of bandwagons, yet you're existance is merely the joining of a foul, secret bandwagon!
04:46 < greatleader> to which "bandwagon" am I joined?
04:47 < sylverling> the pmog election, o'course
04:47 < Stephen> I fear far, far worse
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04:48 < greatleader> The only wagon to which I am hitched, Is that of equality.
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04:48 < greatleader> Equality for every shoat. Every man woman and pig with a fair share of the "pie".
04:49 < Stephen> Fauxquailty is more like it....
04:49 < Stephen> but I digress
04:49 < Pixielo> Bacon pie?
04:49 < Pixielo> Mmmmm
04:49 < Stephen> How delicious
04:49 < greatleader> this constant accusation of falsehood and fauxhood. Have my opponents truly fell so low as to be unable to prove there parties POLITICS over my personality?
04:49 < greatleader> Are you in truth THAT unsure of your stand?
04:50  * sylverling has been arguing for chaos all along, thanks
04:50  * Bunni3 knows exactly where she stands
04:50 < Stephen> We stand for the truth. We are here for the game!
04:50 < Shyiskhar> Which I have lost for the second time this evening...
04:50 < Chava> greatleader: I warned you. In 10 minutes your lie shall be exposed.
04:51 < Chetyre> Oh come now, don't ruin the fun
04:51  * sylverling thinks it's more fun not knowing
04:51 < Stephen> It is only fair that the truth be told
04:51  * sylverling likes mysteries
04:51 < Bunni3> Chava: this better be good... you already got me all worked up *wink*
04:51 < sylverling> they're so...chaotic
04:51  * sylverling glances from bunni3 to chava...
04:51 < greatleader> I'm not afraid of you sir. You have nothing that can prove I am anything but who I say.
04:51 < sylverling> uh huh.
04:51 < Stephen> Chaos != Lies
04:51 < Chava> Yes... mysteries are Chaotic. But they eventually destroy everything around them
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04:51 < greatleader> Because there is nothing to prove.
04:51  * sylverling disagrees with chava
04:52 < sylverling> the least fun part of the mystery novel is finding out whodunnit. it's more fun to guess.
04:52 < Chava> sylverling, I was making a not-so-veiled reference at greatleader's identity
04:52  * sylverling is aware, but is nice and literal
04:53 < sylverling> i'm having too much fun with the /me command :-P
04:53 < Bunni3> sylverling: being nice and literal is a Order trait..
04:53 <@snocrsh> it's 10 of, let's get this ball rolling
04:53 < gbelste> oooh!
04:53 <@snocrsh> legit
04:53 < Chetyre> aww, is someone a little cranky that it's past their bedtime :|
04:53 < sylverling> mm, bunni3, that's true. but sometimes i like to pretend i'm orderly just to mess with people
04:53 < sylverling> wait, potty break, brb :D
04:53 < Chava> Give in to your duality, sylverling
04:54 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+m] by snocrsh
04:54 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
04:54 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
04:54 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
04:54 <+Chava> Shouldn't we be granted +v when it's our turn only?
04:55 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
04:55 <@snocrsh> you raise a good point sir
04:56 <+sylverling> pssh
04:56 <+Chava> all my points are good
04:56 <+sylverling> cept for the ones that are evil
04:56 <+Bunni3> just as a statement... i am fulyl standing behind chava's revealing of who the greatleader and dearleader fakes are
04:56 <+Chava> Evil? Slander!
04:56 <+Bunni3> fully*
04:56 <@snocrsh> although I figured if you considered yourself capable of being leader of the free PMOG world you could take turns
04:57  * sylverling doesn't share well...but can probably tone down that much in order to succeed at this
04:57 <+Chava> You just saw how that went, snocrsh
04:57 <+greatleader> I believe that we are civilized enough to take turns, are we not fellow PMOGians.
04:57 <+sylverling> CHAOS
04:57 <@snocrsh> have I got all the candidates voiced at the moment?
04:57 <+Bunni3> yes snocrsh
04:58 <@snocrsh> very good
04:58 <+Chava> Perhaps an order should be agreed upon?
04:58 <+Chava> Alphabetically, maybe?
04:58 <@snocrsh> and how shall we decide in what order you will speak?
04:58 <+Chava> [22:58]	<Chava>	Alphabetically, maybe?
04:58  * sylverling can go last if chava wants to do alphabetically
04:59 <+sylverling> although order is overrated.
04:59 <+Chava> Hahaha... nice save
04:59 <+greatleader> I am mostly unconcerned. I believe the good mr. snocrsh is wise enough to work this out.
04:59 <+sylverling> lol, well. i'm trying to cooperate here.
04:59 <+greatleader> We could simply do it in order of age on PMOG.
04:59 <@snocrsh> if the candidates agree that going alphabetically was not the result of some preconceived plot to place Bunni3 at the head of discussion very well
05:00 <+Bunni3> haha
05:00 <+Bunni3> B rocks like that
05:00 <+sylverling> eh. i didn't think that at all. whatevs. if we MUST do an order, alphabetically works fine.
05:00 <+Chava> I suggested it, and although I am fond of Bunni3 , I am against her campaign
05:00  * sylverling wants to go last
05:00 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-vvvv Bunni3 Chava greatleader sylverling] by snocrsh
05:01 <@snocrsh> Very well then
05:02 <@snocrsh> and welcome everyone to the first PMOG presidential debate
05:03 <@snocrsh> I'm sure most of the people who read the minutes of these proceedings will have already followed the campaigns quite intently but let's begin with summary position statements from each of the candidates
05:03 <@snocrsh> So let's get your PMOG name, PMOG age, and a brief description of your PMOG policy
05:04 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:05 <+Bunni3> alright.. PMOG name is bunni3burn, i am 27, and a brief description of mu policy is that Order rules... without having to get rid of Chaos
05:06 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:06 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
05:07 <@snocrsh> the floor is Chava's
05:07 <+Chava> Many thanks, moderator snocrsh, and thank you again for the kind invitation
05:07 <+Chava> Hello, dear PMOG citizens. My name is Chava, I've had the honor to play with amongst you fine people for more than 6 months now. Although it seems like yesterday that I was a shoat, I have gone through a lot in the PMOG universe and have come to understand that we all are here to have fun and eat bacon. To have fun, we have at our disposal a great many tools. Some candidates may wish to...
05:08 <+Chava> ...convince you that using only certain tools is the wisest choice. I am here to tell you that it's ok to use that tools that you have fun with. We stand for all tools, for all the people and we shall strive to represent every PMOG player. Thanks again for participating in these proceedings
05:08 <@snocrsh> very eloquent indeed
05:09 <@snocrsh> and to make things move more smoothly I'll ask that candidates please acknowledge when they've finished their statement and would like to relinquish their turn
05:09 <+Chava> I believe I have made a complete statement, moderator. Thank you again.
05:10 <@snocrsh> and also that they will be afforded a ping and no more than a minute to respond before the discussion will move regardless
05:10 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
05:10 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:10 <@snocrsh> greatleader, please introduce yourself
05:11 <+greatleader> My name is greatleader on the fine land of PMOG, I am but a lowly shoat, less than a month old. My stand though is simple. The common man has been trod upon by the rich elite of PMOG for too long. While we shoats work hard daily to merely earn enough money to buy one piece of armor, The imperialist system provides the rich members with the tools required to mine and nick and otherwise rend our poor shoat bodies, u
05:11 <+greatleader> That is all.
05:11 <@snocrsh> excellent
05:11 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:11 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:11 <@snocrsh> sylverling :)
05:12 <+sylverling> Hey. I'm Sylverling, and I've been around PMOG for about 6 months. I'm running on the platform of Chaos, which is to say: do the unexpected, and learn the way we all do - by being mined, and learning to fight back. Chaos: it works, bitches.
05:12 <+sylverling> that is all.
05:13 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:13 <@snocrsh> Very good
05:13 <@snocrsh> Now the first proper question.
05:13 <@snocrsh> The powers and responsibilities of PMOG president have been vaguely (not) defined.
05:14 <@snocrsh> What do you intend to DO as president of PMOG?
05:14 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:14 <@snocrsh> the floor is yours Bunni3
05:14  * Bunni3 is on it :D
05:14 <+Bunni3> as my intentions have been well noted in the forums, i will briefly go back over them.
05:15 <+Bunni3> i intend to make pmog fun for everyone by having a cabinet full of new to old players helping every association out.
05:16 <+Bunni3> help to make sure that the players with less DP and the new players yet to be broken in, get to play with just as much force as the one who have been around PMOG for longer
05:17 <+Bunni3> as anyone can see that i have not taken the time to pick my cabinet by popularity, instead picked it by the desire to succeed and make PMOG fun for all
05:17 <+Bunni3> as PMOG Pres. i intended to help all players with whatever is needed. as a resident bedouin, i don't want one shoat to find themselves a victim of a mining without being properly dressed in armor
05:18 <+Bunni3> and the benefactor in me is always willing to hand out DP to anyone who needs it
05:18 <+Bunni3> and my last note i want to throw out the wonderful and awesome idea brought to the party from gbelste
05:19 <+Bunni3> the Order party of Bunni3 and Davidsev plan to open a Social Security account to bring joy to everyone
05:19 <+Bunni3> and the best part is that no one is expected to pay a thing
05:20 <+Bunni3> the account will have many missions for anyone to take and help raise DP. as well anyone who wishes to donate is welcome. and of course the party members will be helping supply the cause with their own DP
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05:20 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:21 <@snocrsh> I'm afraid that's all we'll have time for on this query :D
05:21 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
05:21 <@snocrsh> Chava, you may proceed
05:21 <+Chava> thank you, Moderator
05:21 <+Chava> We will stand up for the people of PMOG, be they shoats or level 20s. Me and my talented VP will help stimulate the DP economy to provide DP for tools to everyone. We have an ongoing subsidized shoppe program for all tools at 50% of the list price for levels 15 and under. We shall help the defenseless by mining the abusers and we shall provide armor to those who need it. We believe that a...
05:21 <+Chava> ...government that governs least is the one that governs best and we shall not interfere with player's right to chose the tools they prefer. We are also trying to promote the game development with a wonderful casino and other upcoming novelties.  Finally, we shall strive to make sure everyone has the bacon of their choice (even vegetarian), because bacon is wonderful.
05:22 <+Chava> Thank you, snocrsh
05:22 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
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05:23 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:23 <@snocrsh> greatleader, your thoughts
05:23 <+greatleader> The position of president may appear simply honorary. I have noted that no powers have actually been offered. However with the popular vote behind the president, a certain amount of power is given. Trustees and stewards may well be persuaded, through simple application of a certain amount of pressure, to do as they are requested. Lead by someone such as myself, or indeed any of the other fine candidates, A path co
05:23 <+greatleader> That is all.
05:24 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:24 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:24 <@snocrsh> sylverling
05:24 <+sylverling> Most of us began PMOG the same way: as lost shoats with tender flesh. We were mined and Nicked and took rickrolling portals and we lost our tenderness and quickly grew wise to the ways of PMOG.
05:25 <+sylverling> What I plan to do as President is to continue these fine traditions: introduce every shoat with a mining by my Minister of Evil.
05:25 <+sylverling> My Minister of Good will provide a crate of armor - one single crate. You might think this is an act of order, and so it might seem, but the truth is, chaos appears in many ways.
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05:26 <+sylverling> We want to show the shoats what it means to be Pmogians - strong, fine, bacony pmogians, with no weaknesses. We punish the wicked and the stupid with our mines and nicks, and offer portals too.
05:26 <+sylverling> And do what no one expects, because htat's what chaos is. Simply put, we want to prove that chaos is the ruler over everything.
05:26 <+sylverling> thanks, snocrsh. i'm done.
05:26 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:27 <@snocrsh> Excellent
05:27 <@snocrsh> One more question in a similar vein
05:27 <@snocrsh> In the recent presidential election one of the most talked about qualities of each candidate was their level of experience
05:28 <@snocrsh> the president-elect received much criticism for his role as a community organizer before serving in the US Senate
05:29 <@snocrsh> however, it seems that the PMOG president is very much a community organizer
05:29 <@snocrsh> So, what previous experience do these candidates have in leadership positions and with building community ties?
05:29 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
05:29 <@snocrsh> We'll begin with Chava
05:30 <+Chava> On it
05:30 <+Chava> I believe my credentials in this area to be beyond question. I am proud owner of most of the 1500 tool badges and in fact have more tool usage than most. I have been recognized by the authorities as someone trustworthy with a designation as steward.
05:30 <+Chava>  My running mate is also a PMOGer of great experience. He currently runs the casino and routinely has access to the trustees to promote other new and fun ways to enjoy PMOG
05:31 <+Chava> Some may argue that they hold more badges or that they've been along longer. But they cannot argue with my post count, making me an active member of the community, nor can they deny the myriad of threads that I have either started or derrailed.
05:32 <+Chava> Finally, the greatest proof of my experience may be the fact that I have learned that which my opponents have not: There is room for both Chaos and order to coexist in all of us.
05:32 <+Chava> Thanks again for your time.
05:32 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
05:32 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:33 <@snocrsh> greatleader
05:33 <+greatleader> My wikipedia page clearly reveals my past experience. Yes I am new to PMOG, but I am not new to the world of leadership. My country was lead to greatness. It remains great under my predecessor. You can look at my history yourself. I am new here. It is true, but I have already experienced all that PMOG has to offer. Save mining. I have yet to mine an individual, why? because to do so would be an act of aggression I
05:33 <+greatleader> That is all.
05:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:33 <@snocrsh> sylverling, describe your experience to us
05:33 <+sylverling> Thanks, snocrsh
05:33 <+sylverling> In my time at Pmog, I've earned all of the tool use badges. I also acted as a team leader during PRisk. And while I was a member of an Order team, not a Chaos team, I felt it was important to see how the other side lived. In that time, I discovered I preferred Chaos.
05:34 <+sylverling> Like Chava, I am also a steward, entrusted with the responsibility of caring for shoats and helping other Pmogians. I have a reputation for helpfulness and also one for fun.
05:34 <+sylverling> I include others in my cause, and most importantly, I enjoy what I do, and I enable others to do the same.
05:35 <+sylverling> I feel my reputation for innovation and chaos stands for itself.
05:35 <+sylverling> Thanks! I'm done.
05:35 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:35 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:35 <@snocrsh> Bunni3
05:36 <+Bunni3> Thanks much Chava and sylverling for pointing out that you have all the badges. because i would like to say that i am a proud owner of JUST 2 1500 badges...
05:36 <+Bunni3> why am i proud? because i didn't flee all my tools left and right to gain badges. i played PMOG as it should and gained gained them by having fun doing what i love
05:37 <+Bunni3> i have been playing for 7 months and not yet being a lvl 20 of having all tool badges shows that i am in it for the fun. and not the glory
05:37 <+Bunni3> i alo would like o point out the expeirence of my VP
05:37 <+Bunni3> david has been one of the biggest helps to the trustees by breaking PMOG
05:37 <+Bunni3> it has shown them what it's not perfect and what should be done to fix it
05:38 <+Bunni3> as the resident bedouin.. it shows that i am not afriad to stand up for the underdogs of PMOG
05:38 <+Bunni3> i am loving every inch of fighting for those who are not the most popular
05:38 <+Bunni3> that is all :D
05:39 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:39 <@snocrsh> excellent answers from all our candidates
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05:39 <@snocrsh> if chaos week was any indication we all know that PMOGeans love bloodsport
05:40 <@snocrsh> so for the first time in our debates tonight I'll open the floor and allow our candidates one minute's time to rip eachother to pieces
05:40 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+vvvv Bunni3 Chava greatleader sylverling] by snocrsh
05:40 <@snocrsh> GO!
05:41 <+sylverling> one of bunni3's 1500 badges is a chaos badge.
05:41 <+greatleader> I shall abstain from this particular even. It is most assuredly unethical. I allow my fellow candidates to play in this violent field.
05:41 <+sylverling> she didn't want to admit she loves the mines
05:41 <+Chava> I would like to take this moment to invite the audience to do a /whois on greatleader
05:41 <+sylverling> giving them, just as much as receiving...
05:41  * sylverling pauses for chava's benefit
05:41 <+Chava> Perhaps after that they might want to /whois other members of this room
05:41 <+Bunni3> and my ONE chaos badge was in sacrfice for Order.. i supported Prisk Armorgeddon with mines for them to win
05:41 <+Chava> And they would find out the truth about the sham that is greatleader
05:42  * Bunni3 will hold al comments for chava's important statement
05:42  * sylverling already knew the truth, because, like, chaos is awesome that way
05:42 <+Chava> as to dearleader, his account shows as having been created 6 months ago, clearly the work of a trustee. We have logs indicating that dearleader is none other than Joe Wagner.
05:42 <+Chava> A sham!
05:42 <+sylverling> shenanigans!
05:42 <+sylverling> ...which are the realm of chaos, i believe
05:43 <+Chava> I invite greatleader to call me a liar again to my face
05:43 <+Bunni3> Evidence A [greatleader] (i=485be21f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ee8f7c9cdc4cdce9): pool-72-91-226-31.tampfl.fios.verizon.net
05:43 <+Bunni3> Evidence B [Shyiskhar] (n=Cain@pool-72-91-226-31.tampfl.fios.verizon.net): Kal
05:43 <+greatleader> I am unsure as to what I am being accused of.
05:43 <+Chava> BAM
05:43 <+sylverling>  /me would like to take this opportunity to point out that shyiskhar is the Minister of Evil for her campaign as well
05:44 <+Bunni3> it's right there greatleader aka Shyiskhar
05:44 <+sylverling> and is doing his part rather well.
05:44 <+greatleader> Well... That seems faintly damnable.
05:44 <+greatleader> Wrong, but damnable.
05:44 <+greatleader> Hah...
05:44 <+Chava> AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREEEEEEEEEEEE.... TO VOTE FOR THE INDEPENDENT PARTY
05:44 <+sylverling> fail, dude.
05:44  * sylverling goes to mine
05:44 <+sylverling> again.
05:45 <@snocrsh> this is quite sensational
05:45 <@snocrsh> i don't quite know how to proceed :o
05:45 <+Bunni3> So what can a liar bring to you PMOG!? Shyiskhar who started the elections is trying to scam you and control you via a mask
05:45 <+sylverling> i did say he was Evil
05:46 <+Bunni3> and myself along with sylverling and Chava are open books.. no masks here
05:46 <+sylverling> fortunately, we have enigmagirl tempering his evilness with her cuddliness
05:46 <+Chava> With one of my opponents clearly labeled a sham, I shall now direct my attentions to sylverling
05:46 <+sylverling> mhmm?
05:46 <+sylverling> your minute is up
05:46 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-vvvv Bunni3 Chava greatleader sylverling] by snocrsh
05:47 <@snocrsh> truly the kind of foolishness only a PMOG election could create :D
05:48 <@snocrsh> okay
05:48 <@snocrsh> having just ascribed some sense of personification to PMOG I'd like to ask the candidates this question
05:49 <@snocrsh> How did you get into PMOG in the first place?
05:49 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:49 <@snocrsh> greatleader, if these shocking allegations will not deter you, the floor is yours
05:49 <+greatleader> Interestingly, Relating to the terrible allegations... I can tell you how.
05:50 <+greatleader> I was invited. A few months back by another individual, who shall remain nameless. I've been watching, on occasion. And this seemed like a chance to mess with him a little.
05:51 <+greatleader> Of course, The simple fact that I am messing with him does not by any means deter me from my goal. I fully mean all I have said.
05:51 <+greatleader> And continue to do so.
05:51 <+greatleader> That is all.
05:51 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
05:51 <@snocrsh> thank you sir
05:51 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:51 <@snocrsh> sylverling
05:53 <+sylverling> I was invited onto Pmog by enigmagirl shortly after it left Beta the first time. I fell in love with tools, particularly mines - Hellfire was my first 1500 badge - and have stayed for that reason.
05:53 <+sylverling> thanks!
05:53 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:53 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:53 <@snocrsh> Bunni3! what brought you to PMOG?
05:53  * Bunni3 is on it
05:53 <+Bunni3> last april my good grade school friend opie aka akraut in #pmog invited me to PMOG
05:54 <+Bunni3> while sitting at his house he was like OMG check this new game out
05:54 <+Bunni3> he did such a great job of selling it that i signed up. i saw the different tools and i spotted armor
05:54 <+Bunni3> i fell in love with the armor from day one. it's just very shinneh. and now i spend my days crushing through all the mines i find
05:54 <+Bunni3> and that is all :D
05:55 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:55 <@snocrsh> Excellent
05:55 <@snocrsh> Now, a question that plagues the minds of all pmoggers
05:55 <@snocrsh> what is your favorite, and least favorite tool?
05:55 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:55 <@snocrsh> and we'll begin with sylverling
05:55 <+sylverling> you forgot chava, dude.
05:56 <@snocrsh> oh snap
05:56 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:56 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
05:56 <@snocrsh> apologies sir :D
05:56 <+Chava> Thank you moderator, apologies accepted.
05:56 <+Chava> The original question was how did we get into PMOG. I learned about it from a link on BOINGBOING. I got into the game by chatting with the fellow players. It was the community that pushed me to gain more DP, use more tools, and earn more badges. I arrived via BOINGBOING, but I got into it thanks to each and everyone of the PMOGers
05:56 <+Chava> I'm done, thank you.
05:57 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
05:57 <@snocrsh> thank you Chava, I'm glad we didn't miss that excellent response
05:57 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:57 <@snocrsh> sylverling, the question again being to describe your favorite and least favorite PMOG tool
05:58 <+sylverling> Thanks. :-) Wouldn't want to deprive my opponent of his turn, especially because he's been infinitely generous with providing me with my favorite tool these many months: the one and only mine.
05:58 <+sylverling> It's just so useful! And so splodey! And it goes boom! And you can use it to show affection or to punish. It's lovely.
05:58 <+sylverling> Now, my least favorite tool would have to be the lightpost. I know I've made a number of missions and I know that I was a Pathmaker for PRisk, but honestly, it's just a very difficult tool to use.
05:59 <+sylverling> It's hard to make a good, quality mission, and I fully believe it's frequently abused by people just out for the few DP that come from mission takers.
05:59 <+sylverling> that's all!
05:59 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
05:59 <@snocrsh> super fun
05:59 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
05:59 <+Bunni3> alright this is a very easy question
06:00 <+Bunni3> as it's very obvious my favorite tool is armor.
06:00 <+Bunni3> why? because i can use it to protect myself, my allies (by crating it to them), and Pmoggers by taking out all the mines i find in the wild
06:00 <+Bunni3> a way to show love for every player
06:00 <+Bunni3> least favorite tool is the portals
06:01 <+Bunni3> i find no need for them. when instead of laying on portal, i can make an entire mission filled with great alternate sites
06:01 <+Bunni3> a nice organized way of showing more great sites on the internet
06:01 <+Bunni3> thanks. that's all
06:01 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:01 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
06:01 <@snocrsh> Chava, your thoughts
06:02 <+Chava> Thank you moderator. And thank you for your praise of my previous answer. As to the matter at hand, my favorite tool is, of course, the mine. I am recognized as one of the best destroyers in PMOG and I would submit to an independent study to prove that I have laid more mines than anyone else in PMOG. I'd mention that the crate is a close second favorite. As to my least favorite, that would...
06:02 <+Chava> ...be the St. Nick. It goes against my favorite tool and results in a blip of nothingness. This does not mean I do not use it (I have the Good Doctor badge), but simply that it is the least favorite of the tools I use.
06:02 <+Chava> thank you
06:03 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
06:03 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:03 <@snocrsh> greatleader
06:03 <+greatleader> All tools are grand if used in the right context. The tools of chaos can easily be used to control those who refuse to participate in the great salvation of PMOG, and the great equalizing. The tools of Order are of course already meant for that purpose.
06:04 <+greatleader> My personal favorite though? Is the community of PMOG. Tools to the end of saving themselves.
06:04 <+greatleader> Thank you. That is all.
06:04 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:04 <@snocrsh> Very good
06:04 <@snocrsh> and again I'll now open the floor to general tool discussion
06:04 <@snocrsh> which inevitably breaks down across party lines
06:05 <@snocrsh> remember, go for the throat!
06:05 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+vvvv Bunni3 Chava greatleader sylverling] by snocrsh
06:05 <+Chava> I would like to point out that greatleader proposed that ALL tools are good, which is my stance and that he called all PMOGers tools.
06:05 <+Chava> I don't know about you, but I'm not a tool
06:05 <+sylverling> chava stole that from another pmogger, though
06:05 <+Chava> I did?
06:05 <+Chava> Prove it
06:06 <+Bunni3> i would also like to point out something about sylverling.. next to chava, she is one of the regulars who mine me because i like it. now is that at all chaotic?
06:06 <+sylverling> 0:04	abztrakt	did greatleader just call us all tools?
06:06 <+sylverling> there's my evidence
06:06 <+sylverling> i mine bunni3 when she asks, yes. but i also mine her when she DOESN'T ask. and i mine others as well. mines are good for everyone
06:07 <+Bunni3> why should i ask. it's PMOGwide that i LOVE getting mined
06:07 <+greatleader> Twisting my words is all my candidates can manage?
06:07 <+Chava> sylverling, I wasn't watching the main chan. I did, however, make this comment in a PM to my VP. [00:04]	<Chava>	But... he called pmoggers tools
06:07 <+Chava> Same time stamp
06:07 <+sylverling> yeah...i don't have seconds with mibbit, so i can't prove it beyond that. *shrug* i'm not privy to your private conversations, obviously. the sentiment is true enough anyway.
06:07 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-vvvv Chava greatleader abztrakt Stephen] by snocrsh
06:07 <@snocrsh> beautiful
06:08 <@snocrsh> that had nothing to do with the issues
06:08 <+sylverling> you missed.
06:08 <@snocrsh> just like politics for real! :D
06:08 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-vv Bunni3 sylverling] by snocrsh
06:08 <@snocrsh> Now
06:09 <@snocrsh> the one question that will determine the outcome of the election
06:09 <@snocrsh> Why shouldn't the players of PMOG vote for someone other than yourself?
06:09 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:09 <@snocrsh> Bunni3, testify
06:10 <+Bunni3> Simple. i stand for all pmoggers. Order and Chaos. i want nothing more than to allow pmoggers the chance to be themselves
06:10 <+Bunni3> and i have a cabinet full of members showing that
06:10 <+Bunni3> and that's how simple it is.. thanks :D
06:11 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:11 <@snocrsh> that was wonderfully concise
06:11 <@snocrsh> like the Gettysburg Address or something, well done
06:11 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
06:11 <@snocrsh> Chava
06:11 <+Chava> I am an independent and I encourage all PMOGers to examine the issues and look within themselves and answer this easy question: Do you really want to lock in yourself to a single set of tools? I think most of them will find that they are actually omnitoolians. That is what I and my VP Stephen stand for. We stand for them.
06:11 <+Chava> Thank you.
06:12 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
06:12 <@snocrsh> a lightning quick response from a candidate who truly knows where they stand
06:12 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:12 <@snocrsh> greatleader
06:12 <+greatleader> Because despite accusations, invalid reasoning and terrible attacks on my person. I am still fighting for each and everyone of the Shoats of PMOG. That is TRULY all.
06:14 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:14 <@snocrsh> a wonderful message of altruism indeed
06:14 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:14 <@snocrsh> and slyverling
06:15 <+sylverling> You should vote for me because I stand for bacon.
06:15 <+sylverling> Which is, as we all know, an element of Chaos.
06:15 <+sylverling> Thanks.
06:15 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:15 <@snocrsh> the forces arrayed against you are none
06:15 <@snocrsh> everyone enjoys bacon.
06:16 <@snocrsh> I've prepared just two more questions here
06:16 <@snocrsh> this one deals with a current PMOG issue
06:16 <@snocrsh> Where do you stand on casino gambling?
06:16 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
06:16 <@snocrsh> Chava
06:17 <+Chava> I am obviously for it, since it's run by my VP and part of our platform
06:17 <+Chava> The casino is one of many ways to extend the possibilities of PMOG, to provide further entertainment
06:17 <+Chava> We are here to have fun and my VP is commited to helping that
06:18 <+Chava> it's worth noting that the casino is not for profit and has independent funding
06:18 <+Chava> thank you
06:18 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
06:18 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:19 <@snocrsh> greatleader, you were quite outspoken on this issue earlier
06:19 <+greatleader> Gambling is a complex issue. When run as non profit I truly see no harm in it. Despite it's seedy reputation, it can truly be a force for good. However, It requires a certain set of checks and balances.
06:20 <+greatleader> I am unsure as to whether any rules are placed on any of the current systems. As such, I find gambling to be a risky and somewhat dangerous pursuit.
06:20 <+greatleader> However, I also aknowledge the wisdom of our regular shoats. With the correct education, they too will spot a scam, and thus allow themselves to be free of any cheating systems.
06:20 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:21 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:21 <@snocrsh> sylverling
06:21 <+sylverling> it's random chance, isn't it? emphasis on the random? as a promoter of chaos, why wouldn't I love it?
06:21 <+sylverling> that's all.
06:22 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:22 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:22 <+Bunni3> i support it on one simple basis.. that it remains organized and does not forced the players to dump all their DP into it to keep it going
06:23 <+Bunni3> that's all
06:23 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:23 <@snocrsh> excellent answers from all our candidates
06:24 <@snocrsh> And the final question
06:25 <@snocrsh> If you are elected, how will you purge PMOG of the other candidates? And if you are not elected, what attempts will you make to overthrow the elected administration?
06:25 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:25 <@snocrsh> greatleader, give us some insight
06:25 <+greatleader> Moral aptitude is defined by ones ability to lose gracefully.
06:26 <+greatleader> Though I am not a loser, I will of course admit defeat should I lose. I would even be willing to work for my fellow order candidate, In furthering the goals of our parties.
06:26 <+greatleader> Should I win however, I would hope my fellows would see the wisdom in merging with me.
06:27 <+greatleader> And leading PMOG to a better future.
06:27 <+greatleader> That is all.
06:27 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v greatleader] by snocrsh
06:27 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:27 <@snocrsh> sylverling, what can we expect?
06:27 <+sylverling> I don't intend to purge PMOG of the other candidates. I need Order to prove that Chaos is superior; one can't be the best if one is the only.
06:28 <+sylverling> In terms of overthrowing an elected administration...well...Order needs Chaos to exist, as well; I'll just be obnoxious until they resign in exasperation from all my mines.
06:28 <+sylverling> thanks.
06:28 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v sylverling] by snocrsh
06:28 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:28 <@snocrsh> Bunni3
06:29 <+Bunni3> this question is borderling offending to Order. why would Order ever want to purge anyone? Chaos keeps us busy, always trying to stop them.
06:29 <+Bunni3> as far as overthrowing? how Orderly is that? we would do nothing expect prove to PMOG that they elected the wrong party.
06:30 <+Bunni3> except prove*
06:30 <+Bunni3> that's all
06:30 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Bunni3] by snocrsh
06:30 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+v Chava] by snocrsh
06:30 <+Chava> My party believes in democracy, when we are elected we will not purge PMOG of the other candidates. Indeed, we shall embrace them and invite them to join us in making PMOG a better game for all of us. Thank you.
06:30 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-v Chava] by snocrsh
06:30 <@snocrsh> excellent
06:30 <@snocrsh> i'm surprised that there's not a single demagogue among you :D
06:31 <@snocrsh> that's it for the first PMOG presidential debate
06:31 <@snocrsh> I would like to take an opportunity to thank the candidates
06:31 <@snocrsh> and also thank those of you viewing the debates
06:31 <@snocrsh> remember your vote is your voice!
06:31 <@snocrsh> and speaking of voice
06:32 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+m] by snocrsh
06:32 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [-m] by snocrsh
06:32 < Chava> Both the Chaos and Order candidates admit they need each other. We're the only party to incorporate that as our philosophy
06:32 < Chetyre> double post
06:32 < sylverling> yep
06:32 < sylverling> i'm just all for having fun. no matter what. and bacon.
06:33 < Chava> We're all for bacon
06:33 < Bunni3> once Order organizes Chaos.. then Order just has fun.. you don't HAVE to have Chaos
06:33 < sylverling> yeah, you do. order stagnates.
06:33 < sylverling> you don't grow. you turn into robots.
06:33 < sylverling> look at the pathmaker! already too late for him!
06:33 < Chetyre> hahaha
06:33 < Chetyre> so true
06:33 -!- mode/#PMOG.debate [+o Chetyre] by snocrsh
06:33 < Bunni3> we would be a wonderful world of giving without Chaos.. all those benefactors freely sharning. and pathmakers showing us the internet. it would be awesome
06:33 < sylverling> chaos forces you to grow and learn and adapt
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06:34 < sikkdays> This election needs a good sex scandal
06:34 < sylverling> without it, you don't evolve
06:34 < Stephen> Remember everyone: Walking is merely a controlled fall.... ordered chaos
06:34 < sylverling> well
06:34 < Stephen> Both are necessary
06:34 < sylverling> bunni3 and i can probly provide a nice sex scandal, can't we
06:34 < Bunni3> Chava: you heard sikkdays.. so *nudge*
06:34 < sylverling> :D
06:34 < Bunni3> haha
06:34 < Shyiskhar> Bunni3 and sylver are getting it on...
06:34  * sylverling might revise her opinion on sharing for chava
06:35 < Stephen> Shyiskhar is now taking out a CHAINSAW
06:35 < Bunni3> alright i need to know if my logs are needed and from what time to what time do i need to save the logs from the debate?
06:35 < Stephen> wait.... that's The Office
06:35 <@Chetyre> Mine are auto-saved anyway
06:35 < Chava> Sex scandal threesome FTW!
06:35 < Bunni3> well yes mine are auto saved
06:35 <@Chetyre> and DavidSev's are probably auto-saved as well
06:35 < sylverling> mwahaha
06:35 < Shyiskhar> Chainsaw?
06:35 <@Chetyre> Right, then why do you need to worry about "saving the logs" :P
06:36 < Bunni3> but the logs started befor the debates and now is logging this... so are we posting ALL the logs or should i save the debate elsewhere and easier to grab?
06:36 < Shyiskhar> So post everything.
06:36 < Shyiskhar> It's amusing!
06:36 <@Chetyre> Not everything, that's too much
06:36 < Bunni3> ya agreed
06:36 <@Chetyre> In a "serious" thread post everything starting with what snocrsh said
06:36 < Chava> I think they should be cleaned by a third party
06:36 < Chava> remove the voicings and the joins
06:36 <@Chetyre> I dunno if you wanna make a new thread or post in an old one
06:36 < Chava> leave just the dialogue
06:36 < Bunni3> who is posting it where? i don't want to see this log end up as a thread.. that's WAY too much
06:37 <@Chetyre> yeah, I'm not going to post anything
06:37 <@Chetyre> I don't want to be responsible for this mess :P
06:37 < Stephen> I'm off to bed folks
06:37 < Bunni3> is Pixielo still about? she could edit the logs easily
06:37 < greatleader> I would gladly take the debates and... Edit them.
06:37 <@Chetyre> night Stephen
06:37 < Stephen> g'nite, it's been quite an adventure
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06:37 <@Chetyre> hey, greatleader sounds pretty trustworthy
06:38 < greatleader> Sadly, I didn't log them...
06:39 < sikkdays> Could you just put the logs on scribd and link to them from the forums?
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06:39 < Shyiskhar> Google pages are free and easy too.
06:39 <@Chetyre> I've never used scribd
06:39 < sikkdays> Right, I keep forgetting about googs
06:39 < sylverling> aright all, i gotta go to bed too. later.
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06:40 < greatleader> Well people. I appreciate the fun we have had. But I have a date with Paul's fist in the morning... I'm leaving too.
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06:40 < sikkdays> I had no idea greatleader was in prison
06:41 < sikkdays> or into fisting
06:41 < Bunni3> paul is shy and shy is still trying to convince us that he is not greatleader
06:41 <@Chetyre> mine doesn't have time stamps on messages, does anybody care?
06:42 < Bunni3> mine has time and date stampes
06:42 < Bunni3> and i have just copied all the logs from the moment sno started and ended it in a notepad, saved
06:42 < Chava> wow... this debate was looooooooooooooong
06:42 <@Chetyre> whatever, less work for me then
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06:43 <@Chetyre> I too am going to bed
06:43 <@Chetyre> good night
06:43 < Shyiskhar> :) He still has a date with my fist...
06:43 < Chava> greatleader is your wang?
06:43 <@Chetyre> damn son
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06:44 < Bunni3> lol
06:44 < Shyiskhar> Could be. I don't know if my wang can type that well.
06:44 < Shyiskhar> He spoke better'n I do.
06:44 < Shyiskhar> Almost like a civilized human bean!
06:44 < Chava> being?
06:44 < Shyiskhar> Hah...
06:46 < Shyiskhar> Do you think David is still logging this? I guess he has to be.
06:47 < Bunni3> my IRC logs at all times
06:47 < Bunni3> so this is still being logged
06:48 < Shyiskhar> Awesome. On the count of three, Let us all call David a doody head?
06:48  * Bunni3 doesn't think DavidSev is a doodyhead
06:48 < Shyiskhar> 1
06:48 < Shyiskhar> You're no fun.
06:48 < Shyiskhar> No one thinks he's a doodyhead. We all love David.
06:48 < Chava> DavidSev is a doodyhead
06:48 < Shyiskhar> But it's funny.
06:48 < Chava> ARG
06:48 < Shyiskhar> Hah.
06:49 < Chava> creepy DavidSev message
06:49 < Shyiskhar> You so called david a doodyhead and then got his away message!
06:50 < Chava> yes
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06:55 < Shyiskhar> okay. Bored now.
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07:39 < Holzonkel> Ah. All over. Darn.
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